Talking Cinema

[raj]: all right scream nineteen ninety six so
i love this movie when it came out

[raj]: and i just watched a little bit
of it last night and then the rest

[raj]: of it this morning so it's fresh
on my mind and i still love this

[raj]: movie i still feel this movie holds
up um i don't watch a lot of

[raj]: horror movies i just don't care to
be scared and i can watch like violent

[raj]: movies bloody movies but and i don't
find those scary but like the cheap thrills

[raj]: that you get in a horror movie
that actually does scare me but i never

[raj]: really watched my parents never watched horror
movies and because of that i never watched

[raj]: movie as a kid or as a
teen ager but this movie is different i

[raj]: remember when he came out miramax produced
and mira max was like then now hot

[raj]: distributor production company of movies you had
tarantino movies coming out and so this movie

[raj]: was like park comedy and set in
high school and for the longest time and

[raj]: you probably know this nail um i
was a huge fan of high school movies

[raj]: um

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: it wasn't until i got to my
mid thirties that i stopped watching high school

[raj]: movies now i can't even watch high
school babies like i don't even care

[neil]: like you like you're like american pies
and

[raj]: american pie my god my dan wilder
you know just

[neil]: high

[raj]: like

[neil]: school

[raj]: any

[neil]: high

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: any of those like high school movies
i would

[neil]: first

[raj]: watch

[neil]: time it rich high right is the
one

[raj]: fast

[neil]: that kind

[raj]: times

[neil]: of

[raj]: ridge on high was an ultimate classic
we may have to put them in the

[raj]: list but

[neil]: a

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: city

[raj]: that came

[neil]: bus

[raj]: out of the early eighties

[neil]: at

[raj]: ferris fers buler

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: um you know i would even include
back to the future a little bit as

[raj]: a little bit high school team wolf
um but and even when i got into

[raj]: my twenties i could still watch like
these high school movies like i enjoyed them

[raj]: but then when i got to my
mid thirties i was like no i don't

[raj]: even know who these people are or
i'm old

[neil]: right

[raj]: but high school movies was like one
of my favorite genres or sub genre so

[raj]: when this movie came out like i
had to watch it i think came out

[raj]: during christmas so you know i was
off of school get the christmas brag and

[raj]: i would just probably watch movie in
the theater every day or every other day

[raj]: know

[neil]: right

[raj]: until i got back to go to
school and then even when i was at

[raj]: school i'd watch the movie in the
theaters on the weekend it was like like

[raj]: a big thing in my life and
so i actually thought the comedy in this

[raj]: movie was still funny i thought the
humor held up pretty well i didn't find

[raj]: the movie scary because i knew the
plot i knew who the killers were so

[neil]: well the funny thing about this movie
first off that

[raj]: ye

[neil]: i want to kind of introject

[raj]: go right ahead yeah

[neil]: get into it is m i'd made
a suggestion i was like oh you know

[neil]: halloween is coming up maybe we

[raj]: ah

[neil]: should watch a

[raj]: ah

[neil]: halloween movie and you know

[raj]: great

[neil]: i threw

[raj]: idea

[neil]: out the normal halloween

[raj]: m

[neil]: movies you know halloween night mare and
elm street you know those those types of

[neil]: like kind of you know the ones
that will make you jump out of your

[neil]: seat kind of a movie

[raj]: yes

[neil]: and then i don't know i just
like okay i'll just throw scream in there

[neil]: just for just to see you know
and then okay he's interested

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: in scream he's interested in scream and
i was like kind of kind of like

[neil]: a a low like like a can't
be halloween movie you know

[raj]: it's a

[neil]: like

[raj]: camp hollow it's like if

[neil]: er

[raj]: you

[neil]: movie i guess you could say not
not halloween movie but

[raj]: it was like a hot sauce ranking
like i chose the mild version

[neil]: you did choose the mildest of my
yes i mean i was happy to watch

[neil]: it again and re live

[raj]: oh

[neil]: a lot of the the stuff that
came through

[raj]: a

[neil]: but i hadn't seen it forever so
probably since since when i came out i

[neil]: mean it was for me i think
a one time watch i mean i enjoyed

[neil]: it i know they made like five
sequels afterwards but

[raj]: oh my gosh i think they may
have had a six one and you know

[raj]: i think you've got a better memory
than i do and i remember in the

[raj]: nineties and in the early two thousands
you and i my brother and sometime some

[raj]: other mutual friends like we watched a
lot of movies together

[neil]: sure

[raj]: on the theater did we watch this
together we were

[neil]: i

[raj]: we at different places at that time

[neil]: might have because it was

[raj]: yes

[neil]: it was kind of after after high
school so you know

[raj]: i want to say

[neil]: one of the time that we did
see this movie together

[raj]: i want to say because i saw
this movie actually twice i saw this

[neil]: m

[raj]: once in the legit theater and then

[neil]: hm

[raj]: you and i briefly crossed paths in
college

[neil]: right

[raj]: and i want to say that i
aw this because they call it sometimes the

[raj]: school will like i have a campus
movie

[neil]: right

[raj]: now

[neil]: oh yeah

[raj]: and

[neil]: yeah they bring back this is

[raj]: and

[neil]: probably

[raj]: i want to say that you and
i both went and saw this

[neil]: could i could see that happening yes

[raj]: so yeah i did choose the mild
version of this movie comedy ganrammild horror genre

[neil]: yes but it's okay it's

[raj]: m

[neil]: it still still holds up i think
for the most part i mean

[raj]: oh

[neil]: it's entertaining

[raj]: oh

[neil]: and the you know it keeps you
kind of think it's a very like you

[neil]: know you're always the way they've kind
of integrated some of the dialogue in the

[neil]: movie like makes you want to play
along with

[raj]: it does

[neil]: with

[raj]: yeah and they have who done it
and they kind of really do play who

[raj]: done it i remember watching this in
the theater and if you watch the movie

[raj]: you already know who the killers are
but when you're first time watching it especially

[raj]: do you hear the crowd's reaction so
there's the scene with the principal played by

[raj]: henry winkler who who had a nice
little come back in the nineties you

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: know

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: ah i mean for for people they're
too young to remember that listening to this

[raj]: pod he played the fawns in happy
days which was a very popular t v

[raj]: show seventies and early eighties um but
he made it come back i think he

[raj]: was he played the coach and water
boy in

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: adam sadler movie which you and i
do remember watching that in a dollar

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: theater i

[neil]: hm

[raj]: think it was like five people in
the in the at the theater at the

[raj]: time when we watched it but be
got a great head but there's a scene

[raj]: where he's pulls out the scissors and
he's punishing interrogating like the two students that

[raj]: played a prank i'm playing ghost face
running through the halls

[neil]: right

[raj]: and i remember watching it in the
theater they were like oh he's the killer

[neil]: okay okay

[raj]: like the audience reacted

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and so um but anyways like if
you notice like the ghost face killer either

[raj]: it's a killer or someone playing a
prank he shows up in the movie like

[raj]: every fifteen minutes like the pacings fast
oh

[neil]: it's very fast it is you and
the one thing that happens in every scene

[neil]: where the killer appears as he gets
he gets like punched or something like like

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: he he gets like knocked down or
like it's it's

[raj]: he gets

[neil]: very

[raj]: beaten up

[neil]: yea he gets beaten up every scene
in some way but he seems to recover

[neil]: quite quickly

[raj]: yeah it seems like you know he's
like a cartoon character like

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: you know like a normal person a
normal guy gets hitting the nuts

[neil]: yes

[raj]: you could be on the ground for
ten minutes

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: but you know what he like he
gets hit in the nuts punched in the

[raj]: face falls down and gets up ten
seconds later

[neil]: right

[raj]: he's right back at it

[neil]: yeah yeah he's

[raj]: have you noticed like the balls on
the two guy or the ghost face like

[raj]: he'll go out killing in the daytime
you know you

[neil]: right

[raj]: you you like even shows up at
the like the liquor store you know you

[neil]: hm

[raj]: see him in the reflection you know
he's it's like the cops exist in this

[raj]: movie but the response time it's like
we in this this movie the movie rules

[raj]: the response time of the cops are
very slow

[neil]: small town america right that

[raj]: smoke

[neil]: didn't seem

[raj]: down

[neil]: like

[raj]: america

[neil]: didn't

[raj]: oh

[neil]: seem like they were in a big
city

[raj]: ah

[neil]: with a lot of police or

[raj]: m

[neil]: anything

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: it was just it david rquett for
the most part and then the chief of

[neil]: police too but

[raj]: m

[neil]: he seemed to play a really small
role movie and i

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: think david was i

[raj]: yah

[neil]: don't even know if i was related
to somebody

[raj]: yah

[neil]: like the

[raj]: patricia or cat so he's always known
as like the weird kind of brother like

[raj]: because rosanna our cat

[neil]: hm

[raj]: oh you talk about in the movie
the character

[neil]: the movie

[raj]: or the

[neil]: i didn't know if he had

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: like a family relation

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: to anybody but everybody

[raj]: right

[neil]: like just chat on him right

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: like they all were just like he
was the guy that just didn't succeed in

[neil]: life and became the local deputy

[raj]: which is ich happens in real life
sometimes you know you get the

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: like you know you couldn't get into
college or got into just a community school

[raj]: and don't know where to go and
you jutsid you know what i'm going to

[raj]: be a cop

[neil]: yeah i'm never leaving this town

[raj]: yeah and it seemed like his character
which is due

[neil]: hm

[raj]: and right from the beginning like you
know he lives at home you know that

[raj]: his little sister soon everybody laughs at
him so he probably was kind of like

[raj]: the the nord or you know just
not the popular guy in school and

[neil]: right

[raj]: now he's the cop now he's the
authority

[neil]: yeah now he's

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: he's in charge or at least so
he thinks he is

[raj]: but they had a nice art for
him one they don't kill him

[neil]: no

[raj]: so he survives and he you know
at first obviously courtney cox character gale weather's

[raj]: um and we can talk a little
bit about more of her because she had

[raj]: a researghent well she got castin and
friends but well get to do that though

[raj]: but at first she was kind of
like going up to do to try to

[raj]: get a lead try to get a
story

[neil]: right

[raj]: she actually she eventually falls for him
finds him kind

[neil]: right

[raj]: of sweet

[neil]: interesting thing i noticed about corny cox
is in every scene she has a different

[neil]: hair color

[raj]: i didn't even notice that that's a
great catch

[neil]: yeah her hair yeah changes color in
every scene

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: that she's in when she's like whether
it's like you whatever the next day or

[neil]: whatever like one time it's burnet one
time it's red and it's black one time

[neil]: it's like somewhat of a dirty blond
so

[raj]: he's still

[neil]: ah

[raj]: trying to find that luck

[neil]: yeah well i think it was like
yeah just she's just out there like reporter

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: just wants to see what works best

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: for her i guess i don't

[raj]: oh

[neil]: know it might have been something that
they decided to do just to kind of

[neil]: like just give her character a little
bit more kind of um depth

[raj]: yeah you know another thing about this
movie were mentioned a little bit about the

[raj]: dialogue and you know i never really
watched maori movies but like i've heard the

[raj]: criticism of horror movies it's like wait
a minute why would you walk outside when

[raj]: it's pitch black dark and you hear
the sounds why would you go into the

[raj]: garage or into the cellar you know
are you crazy and this movie addresses that

[raj]: you know actually kind of makes fun
of that and it's like wait

[neil]: it's fun when you're in the theater
right they're like

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: no no no no no you know
they're

[raj]: that's

[neil]: just

[raj]: right

[neil]: like don't go in that i yeah

[raj]: and that's the thing with horror movies
it's kind of fun to watch with other

[raj]: people like that but this movie kind
of like so ware of that

[neil]: yes

[raj]: even west craven takes a shot of
himself the director of this movie who directed

[raj]: the night bar in elm street and
he even mentioned that in the being he

[raj]: movie and i think barry's more character
she says that like oh i love the

[raj]: first one but the other ones were
just horrible

[neil]: isn't it weird how she takes the
turn of like not wanting to speak to

[neil]: the guy and then after like the
third or fourth call she's pretty much like

[neil]: giving her life store to this his
voice on the phone it's it was comical

[neil]: to me just you know just the
popcorn obviously like catching on fire

[raj]: yeah and

[neil]: like

[raj]: then she she she even lies about
not having a boy friend and then saying

[raj]: that she has a boy friend it's
like it's like she wanted to talk

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: oh

[neil]: yeah sure like in the fact that
he shows up immediately i know you're lying

[raj]: you know i remember when this movie
came out like that role is considered like

[raj]: was considered like a cameo

[neil]: yes

[raj]: and you know drew barrymore was already
i would say her and courtney cox were

[raj]: probably a lot more established than the
other actresses like the other actresses and actors

[neil]: net camel was just what melrose place
or something

[raj]: ah

[neil]: like that i think was what she
was known for at the time

[raj]: wow no there wasn't my wife and
now there's there's like another show ah it

[raj]: was had nev campbell and another girl
that was in another horror movie the year

[raj]: after i forget what it was called
but yeah i think maybe melrose place i

[raj]: think there was another like um m
party of five

[neil]: okay okay

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: maybe it was party of five and

[raj]: i

[neil]: not

[raj]: think it's party of five you know
it's i never watched i never watched those

[raj]: types of t v shows i mean
i watched t v in the nineties for

[raj]: sure i was more

[neil]: hm

[raj]: sign feld um watching those like half
hour said coms opposed to more serious stuff

[raj]: but yeah

[neil]: right

[raj]: like a lot

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: of the actors

[neil]: five you're right yeah

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: it's party of five

[raj]: a lot of the actors and actresses
in this movie with exception of drew barrymore

[raj]: and courtney cox were kind of just
starting out you know this

[neil]: yes

[raj]: movie was kind of like a start
for everybody yeah

[neil]: hm yeah that's for sure

[raj]: oh

[neil]: there's there's a few faces i mean
yeah i've seen in some bigger movies like

[neil]: the guy who plays stewart um m
and in the movie he's one of the

[neil]: killers the taller the taller

[raj]: matthew

[neil]: friend

[raj]: lord yeah

[neil]: yeah he was in one of my
favorite movies hackers like you know so that

[neil]: that was really kind of fun to
see him i mean i i honestly didn't

[neil]: remember a lot like i mean i
skitolrich

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: like i didn't watch

[raj]: okay

[neil]: a lot of sketolrich movies

[raj]: oh

[neil]: but you know he

[raj]: neither have i

[neil]: obviously

[raj]: matthew lyra was also in well you
know you tlkidgabot one of my favorite movies

[raj]: like i actually like serial mom i
don't now i yu'vever seen it is like

[raj]: a

[neil]: i've seen it

[raj]: can't be kathleen turner movie but he's
in

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: that movie and then i was never
a big fan about matthew lard but i

[raj]: liked him as scraggy in scooby

[neil]: hm

[raj]: dod i thought was i rembrwhen the
movie came out like

[neil]: he was shaggy

[raj]: he was

[neil]: shag

[raj]: shaggy yeah i mean

[neil]: yeah yeah yeah

[raj]: and he was great and shaky

[neil]: men

[raj]: and that movie was actually wasn't so
bad i mean the movie that movie was

[raj]: very campy um skeet olridge i do
recall the actor's name

[neil]: i mean he didn't really have much
like movie wise after this like i mean

[neil]: he was in he had like a
small role and as good as it gets

[neil]: and but then he primarily did t
v after

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: that like show called jericho and

[raj]: ye

[neil]: i think he was on like

[raj]: m

[neil]: law and order a couple of times
like just for like a small run but

[raj]: oh my gosh law and order gets
everybody

[neil]: everybody is put in in order it's
it's writers passage

[raj]: hey you know you get good get
good residuals

[neil]: true

[raj]: oh

[neil]: true

[raj]: h

[neil]: plays a lot

[raj]: h

[neil]: so back to the movie

[raj]: yeah so you know what i actually
want to go to the favorite scene so

[raj]: you know what

[neil]: oh

[raj]: video stories are done now

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and it's it's um it's sad because
i spend so much of my life in

[raj]: a video store um

[neil]: hm

[raj]: you know you go to a video
store and you spend sometimes forty five minutes

[raj]: they're looking for a film and you
finally walk out with one and it was

[raj]: like it's like a your only way
like if it wasn't in the theaters you

[raj]: go to the video store um and
they had a video store scene in the

[raj]: movie and

[neil]: right

[raj]: it made me smile when i saw
it and was packed there was everybody there

[neil]: yeah yeah like yeah people were waiting
for movies to get checked in so that

[neil]: they could check them out for friday
evening like it was yeah it was it

[neil]: was always a zoo on fridays just
trying to get some and for the weekend

[raj]: yea and it was kind of like
a big deal i feel like with streaming

[raj]: movies we kind of take it for
certain you know for certain like it's like

[raj]: let's see you watch a movie you
have netflix or h b and oh i

[raj]: seen this movie and you watch it
and you like fifteen minutes and you're like

[raj]: you know whatever turn it off or
you may watch it over a span of

[raj]: three days or four days or even
a week but when you went to the

[raj]: video store it was kind of like
a big deal like you go to the

[raj]: video store look for a movie come
home and then you would watch the movie

[neil]: right

[raj]: and you know we didn't have cell
phones back then or you know or very

[raj]: few people had cell phones in the
mid nineties and so you were less distracted

[raj]: you would you pop in a sad
or the d v d at like seven

[raj]: p m or eight p m and

[neil]: hm

[raj]: you'd watch the movie all the way
to ted

[neil]: right

[raj]: and it just like i kind of
missed those times and so i thought that

[raj]: scene was great you know it just
like it just kind of reminded me of

[raj]: the old days and i know i'm
sing like an old guy it's like well

[raj]: you know back when i was young
we had this

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: oh

[neil]: i mean i had some i had
favorite moments in the movie i mean the

[neil]: party obviously was really great um but
the part of the like i always like

[neil]: you know how you're just you're thinking
about who's going to go next i guess

[neil]: is the best because you know this
is a horror movie right people have to

[neil]: die

[raj]: yep

[neil]: and i was just waiting

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: for courtney cox is camera man and
you know he's sitting in the

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: van you know watching through the planted
camera at the party and i'm just thinking

[neil]: okay when is this guy going to
go

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: and he was yeah yeah it's just
just waiting and anticipating for that to happen

[neil]: was my my favorite part

[raj]: well they didn't mention it though they
did mention a little bit about it and

[raj]: i don't know they would but one
of the movie rules is like it's different

[raj]: now but i would say in the
ninety every move made in the nineties and

[raj]: before the the chubby of the overweight
guy

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: was dion movie

[neil]: they got more blood to give to
the floor

[raj]: they got more blood to give

[neil]: oh

[raj]: on the floor and it's you know
there's hollywood always shown and the same thing

[raj]: with magazine and even on t v
is shown like an unrealistic view of the

[raj]: world like everybody is good looking everybody's
skinny and

[neil]: hm

[raj]: usually the chubby guys kind of like
the character actor um and usually ends up

[raj]: getting made fun of or gets killed
and this rule this movie played by the

[raj]: rules

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: he got killed

[neil]: yeah for sure

[raj]: and you know he wasn't even really
that fat and courtney cox he even makes

[raj]: a mention but was like i know
you're fifty pounds over weight but when

[neil]: hm

[raj]: i say move you better run you
better move your ass and

[neil]: oh

[raj]: it

[neil]: it's

[raj]: was like

[neil]: a camera yeah

[raj]: um and i think it's kind of
good now and i wonder if a line

[raj]: like that would not be would be
written differently now

[neil]: yeah yeah i

[raj]: i mean

[neil]: think

[raj]: we've got a little more sensitive but
in some ways it can be a good

[raj]: thing but but really he really wasn't
even that big

[neil]: no no he wasn't he wasn't but
he was just he was a character that

[neil]: could go and it wouldn't

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: really affect the story line that much

[raj]: ah and it seems like you know
the other thing i noticed is this was

[raj]: a town where life kind of moves
on like a

[neil]: m

[raj]: kid dies and you know a ten
anger dies and keelhavclasses the next day and

[raj]: people just kind

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: of move on

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: i've just like noticing that was just
like wow this is just this town is

[raj]: resilient

[neil]: it yeah there's not a sense of
concern for anything

[raj]: no or it seems like man does
there's no sense of like really community here

[raj]: like there's just no one crying and
i mean it'd be a different movie if

[raj]: you made it like that

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: oh

[neil]: it seems like it was more about
a click in high school than about the

[neil]: other kids outside of that click right
so

[raj]: yep

[neil]: we didn't really see the yeah the
different levels of school like we stuck pretty

[neil]: much to the one group of students
we didn't really venture outside except for those

[neil]: two guys around being idiots in the
hallway and also in the bathroom scene with

[neil]: the cheer leaders so i don't think

[raj]: a

[neil]: nat campbell

[raj]: oh

[neil]: or even her friends like associated with
that kind of jock cheer leader crowd but

[neil]: they kind of had their own

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: because they were smarter

[raj]: right

[neil]: i mean they seemed like more of
a smarter group

[raj]: yep

[neil]: at least jamie kennedy was you know
worked in a video store he very well

[neil]: very well versed with with

[raj]: oh

[neil]: everything and obviously probably

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: a product working in the video

[raj]: oh

[neil]: store but they seemed

[raj]: right

[neil]: a lot smarter

[raj]: oh

[neil]: than the other kids

[raj]: oh

[neil]: at least in the school that we
did see

[raj]: hey so speaking about the two killers
so stew and billy um

[neil]: hm

[raj]: forgetting about like you know when we
find out that they're killers but like in

[raj]: the beginning move they were kind of
like the a little too cool for school

[neil]: sure

[raj]: um did you know any of those
guys

[neil]: they

[raj]: because

[neil]: re more

[raj]: i

[neil]: like

[raj]: knew

[neil]: revels they felt like more rebel like

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: did you know any of those types
of like i knew some of those type

[raj]: of guys in high school and even
a little bit in college when i went

[raj]: to u s c i hung out
with a different crowd i didn't get to

[raj]: see those type of but it was
like watching that was like oh i've seen

[raj]: these assholes before

[neil]: yeah i mean they were on a
path right like

[raj]: we're

[neil]: they

[raj]: on a path

[neil]: they decided this is the way i'm
going to live my life it's

[raj]: ah

[neil]: like yeah it's almost with no regard
for anything else but what they are interested

[neil]: in like they say

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: it's like what they want is what's
important and that's about it they didn't really

[neil]: care about anybody else's needs

[raj]: no it's also been a while since
i've liked i've seen like so you know

[raj]: relieve revealing a little bit about myself
if i work in it so like um

[raj]: and you used to work in it
so you kind of know

[neil]: m

[raj]: the crowd there it's little more introvert
people keep to them elves

[neil]: sure

[raj]: um a lot of minorities so you
don't get a lot of like in your

[raj]: face type of people

[neil]: hm

[raj]: and so i haven't been exposed to
these like in your face type of people

[raj]: in a while so just i'm watching
this movie and seeing how billy and stew

[raj]: act i was like yeah those guys
exist i just been a while i've been

[raj]: around those guys

[neil]: just an example of like billy and

[raj]: it

[neil]: yeah what's her name net campbell's

[raj]: sydney

[neil]: tiny right so like she just almost
gets killed and they meet like in the

[neil]: in the hallway at school and he's
like are you going to just always be

[neil]: upset with me like he like he
just cares about himself right he he's not

[neil]: very emotional for her like or worried
i mean he might be

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: he was off the upset

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: that you know he sent her to
the police in the first place she was

[neil]: right to do that but

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: at the time we don't we don't
know that if you haven't seen it and

[neil]: uh so it just he seems a
little selfish

[raj]: he does and i just kind of
wrote it off was like well that's kind

[raj]: of his character in the movie but
it was like he didn't yeah he didn't

[raj]: doesn't seem to understand sydney's point of
view you know sydney being scared with his

[raj]: mom died horrifically the year before

[neil]: m hm

[raj]: and then him just magically showing up

[neil]: okay

[raj]: after ghost face showed up i mean
oh

[neil]: who's to say which ghost face it
was right because

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: it was two of them so

[raj]: but but we we as the audience
and sydney especially did not know that at

[raj]: the time

[neil]: do you find it odd that billy
and the other guy stewart stewart

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: were like of varying heights like

[raj]: oh

[neil]: you i mean like did you ever
think about oh well that

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: that killer looked shorter than this one

[raj]: oh

[neil]: like i almost always thought it was
the tall killer all the time i always

[neil]: thought it was stewart most of the
time

[raj]: oh

[neil]: just based on kind of how he
kind of like moved around

[raj]: ah

[neil]: like he was kind of lanky you
know just kind of like just it was

[neil]: comical

[raj]: m

[neil]: the way

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: he he moved from room to room
and i felt like stewart's character was more

[neil]: loose in his bodily movement than than
billy who seemed a lot more stiff

[raj]: yep

[neil]: everything so i you know again like
i don't know how they dived up the

[neil]: say but the killer to me always
looked tall in some way yeah

[raj]: yeah you know i actually

[neil]: oh

[raj]: they don't really get into that because
you never

[neil]: don't

[raj]: really

[neil]: they don't

[raj]: you

[neil]: know

[raj]: never see them get unmasked the only
time you get to see him get unmasked

[raj]: is when um drew

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: barry more's casey casey in the beginning
don't

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: see it it's like off camera but
she

[neil]: right

[raj]: pulls the mask and then goes face
and finally kills

[raj]: so yeah they don't really get into
that my guest i guess they had to

[raj]: switch because there are scenes where like
you know

[neil]: they're there and the other one's not
yeah i know i

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: get that but every time i saw
ghosts face he was he had some stature

[neil]: to him the

[raj]: well

[neil]: other

[raj]: you know getting behind

[neil]: for

[raj]: the removing the movie magic ghost face
was probably played by an unnamed actor

[neil]: sure of

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: course why would they put talent to
do anything with mask on why let's put

[neil]: a let's put stuff double in there

[raj]: unless you're like tom cribs you know

[neil]: m

[raj]: you get

[neil]: want

[raj]: a stunt

[neil]: to

[raj]: double

[neil]: yeah the other thing too which uh
i don't know if we're going to get

[neil]: into flaws later but i'm going to
just

[raj]: you can bring it up right now
go right ahead

[neil]: so my biggest flaw was i know
when they when they had the voice changers

[neil]: and they were exposing themselves at the
end neither of them sounded like ghosts face

[neil]: and

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: you know only after seeing the credits
did

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: i realize that they at another actor
cast just to do the phone voice

[raj]: i did

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: not notice that i noticed that would
skeet like billy i was like

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: no no billy's not

[neil]: what

[raj]: ghost face but i kind of thought
maybe ste

[neil]: no

[raj]: so

[neil]: it

[raj]: no

[neil]: was i mean it was a different
it was a voice cast guy just to

[neil]: do that so it really kind of
like i was a little disappointed in that

[neil]: sense like they didn't really now there's
so many disconnected pieces to this character you

[neil]: know i had issue with as far
as the who was under the mask and

[neil]: the voice because those are big roles
the voice

[raj]: oh

[neil]: was the role right i mean there
was the killing and everything but that's

[raj]: m

[neil]: how we got to know

[raj]: oh

[neil]: s face as through the phone calls

[raj]: i don't think west craven i think
he's a fine director but i don't

[neil]: hm

[raj]: think he's that type of director where
he was like all those details need to

[raj]: be right

[neil]: oh of

[raj]: where

[neil]: course

[raj]: where

[neil]: no we're

[raj]: there are some other directors that are
just like

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: wait no no no we're going to
have to get this right

[neil]: sure fair

[raj]: so

[neil]: and it's a horror movie right so
it's not even it's

[raj]: oh

[neil]: not about those fine details

[raj]: yah

[neil]: is more about

[raj]: and comedy

[neil]: they fill

[raj]: too

[neil]: yeah and the comedy and they hit
all that just sometimes

[raj]: oh

[neil]: were where we can be a little
bit more specific and poke holes at it

[neil]: you know after the fact but in
the in the grand game of things it

[neil]: probably didn't matter that much to the
story

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: i actually enjoy david arcas character due

[neil]: sure you root for him

[raj]: you root for him i even thought
it was i thought it was hilarious and

[raj]: i remember even in the movie the
audience was laughing too when it was a

[raj]: scene where him and the sheriff standing
next to each other and

[neil]: m

[raj]: the sheriff smoking a cigarette doe's eating
ice cream

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and not you know he's not eating
like chocolate or he's even like a strawberry

[raj]: ice cream

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and so you know it just thought
that team was just hilarious it was just

[raj]: and he's a sweet character and they
saved him

[neil]: right yeah

[raj]: um so yeah those are in terms
of flaws you already hit one of

[raj]: actually going back to the dialogue not
so which is a flaw you know i

[raj]: kept thinking about like i wonder if
quin terantino who came out with reservoir dogs

[raj]: in nineteen ninety one and pulp fiction
in nineteen ninety four before this movie he

[raj]: kind of like spawn that kind of
lie we're allowed to talk about pop culture

[raj]: in a movie um

[neil]: okay

[raj]: now queen tarantino most of his pop
culture is from the seventies so

[neil]: right

[raj]: if you watch like paul fiction and
you watched resover dogs he's talking about t

[raj]: v shows and movies made in the
seventies and the six es

[neil]: right

[raj]: um and i feel that kind of
like span like a whole wave of movies

[raj]: in the nineties where you could talk
about other movies or other t v shows

[raj]: in the movie

[neil]: hm

[raj]: itself and in this movie obviously i
think the writer his name is kevin williamson

[raj]: and we could talk a little bit
about it and i think he wrote very

[raj]: popular t v show he was a
show runner for dawson's creek

[neil]: oh yeah

[raj]: okay

[neil]: another ten

[raj]: another team

[neil]: coming

[raj]: and

[neil]: of age

[raj]: another t v show that i did
not watch because i tended to watch more

[raj]: comedies i didn't watch the dramas and
i

[neil]: right

[raj]: was what was it on like on
c w i

[neil]: yes

[raj]: never watched c w

[neil]: w yeah

[raj]: i was a

[neil]: and beak

[raj]: yeah that's right you know i was
an n b c in a fox guy

[neil]: yep

[raj]: you know it's back then you you
were like you know we're a c vs

[raj]: house or you know you know you
had a channel

[neil]: hm

[raj]: and so

[neil]: fox more edgy

[raj]: fox was more edgy they had

[neil]: or

[raj]: the simpsons and what was that kind
of like it was like a family t

[raj]: v show but they were like i
rated our family they weren't

[neil]: parry

[raj]: like

[neil]: or children

[raj]: yes married with children

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: then you have the x files which
i think was probably like the big hit

[raj]: that fox needed to now become

[neil]: hm

[raj]: like now fox is considered like a
main stream channel

[neil]: sure

[raj]: but yeah like the dialogue i think
now when you watch movies now it's like

[raj]: you're going to find dialogue like that
but i still feel like the dialogue in

[raj]: this movie was like the movie is
very self aware that

[neil]: hm

[raj]: it's a whole a movie and they
brought up and i just like how they

[raj]: brought up other movies right from the
beginning they talk about like oh let's rent

[raj]: a tom crews movie or they kept

[neil]: hm

[raj]: talking about halloween and jamie le is

[neil]: yeah

[neil]: yeah it makes it relatable right when
you do stuff like that

[raj]: and also you know not to get
too crass you know this was in the

[raj]: early days of the internet you know
now it's a different world now you've got

[raj]: high speed internet and new tiding movie
was not like a big it's not a

[raj]: big deal anymore i mean you got

[neil]: hm

[raj]: poor any time you want you know

[neil]: sure

[raj]: you get it for free or you
could pay very cheap to get it but

[raj]: like back when we were in the
d you know nudity the movies that was

[raj]: a big deal you know

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: it's like oh she

[neil]: right

[raj]: gets need and

[neil]: i was

[raj]: they bring it up in this movie

[neil]: well the thing was was

[raj]: yes

[neil]: that this movie carries an r rating
and it doesn't carry an r rating because

[neil]: of nudity it carries an r rating
probably because of the murder and the man

[neil]: of blood and but if this movie
was to be made now i think it'd

[neil]: be p g third team

[raj]: i think so too yeah

[neil]: if it was released in the same
form that it is as it was then

[neil]: yeah pg thirteen like i was like
you know maybe my my my daughter who's

[neil]: she's twelve i was like you know
maybe she'd want to watch this with me

[neil]: and then i looked at the rating
and i'm like okay let me let me

[neil]: move on but then i watched it
and i

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: said no it's not that bad you
know there's just you know some

[raj]: oh

[neil]: some stuff here and there but

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: but i don't know i think like
today's kids have been exposed to more than

[neil]: this in an hour movie like it's
got to be a little bit more crazier

[neil]: now i think to get that r
rating i think movies

[raj]: ah

[neil]: like kind of work

[raj]: oh

[neil]: towards that

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: you know when they just did

[raj]: yes

[neil]: give it that sense

[raj]: oh

[neil]: of ah like they've added all that
they've checked marked all the boxes to get

[neil]: that r rating well where this was
like oh yeah you just see some blood

[neil]: you're goin to

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: be p g thirteen o

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: yeah i think it's a little bit
more defined now also also i think senhor

[raj]: movies like this movie it was a
mild r and like even

[neil]: yeah it was a very mild art
just like it was a mild horror movie

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: that's right

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: like

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: they don't really show i'm trying to
think do they show any like actual penetration

[raj]: with the knife

[neil]: not really

[raj]: not really

[neil]: really it's more like knife close to
body cut away come back blood on shirt

[neil]: you know

[raj]: yep

[neil]: kind of it seems to be

[raj]: and i think they wanted to bring
in some of the teen ager crowd i

[raj]: mean i mean sure you and i
have done it before you know we've stuck

[raj]: in the movies you you buy a
ticket for a p g movie or a

[raj]: p g the team movie and you
sneak right in into the rated r movie

[raj]: you know so

[neil]: yes i

[raj]: i think uh maybe that was kind
of like what they were kind of going

[raj]: for there now this is not a
flaw really but it just so at the

[raj]: ending towards the climax

[neil]: m

[raj]: now that sydney

[neil]: m

[raj]: has got the upper hand she steals
the phone and

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and yeah and the little voice thing
and so now she's calling and billy picks

[raj]: up and so now bill is looking
for sydney and then when sydney comes out

[raj]: of the closet dressed his ghost face
i was

[neil]: yep

[raj]: like okay that's a little much i
mean there's

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: no reason he needs address its ghost
ice is not like ghost face gives you

[raj]: any special powers like

[neil]: wasn't

[raj]: why

[neil]: she

[raj]: do you have to put on that
costume

[neil]: wasn't she

[raj]: oh

[neil]: dramatized enough by having

[raj]: and

[neil]: by having a chase her all around
the entire movie

[raj]: and do you want to money the
whole like thing for the cops even more

[raj]: you know it's like wait maybe sydney
is the true you know master mind behind

[raj]: all this

[neil]: right

[raj]: and it was just like not like
a fly on the movie and technical flaw

[raj]: but just like is she thinking

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: so hey i don't know if you
noticed i don't know i you had any

[raj]: other like scenes you wanted to talk
about i wanted to talk a little bit

[raj]: about the directing a little bit

[neil]: go for it

[raj]: so did you notice the color and
i wasn't sure if it was the way

[raj]: my t v was set up i
even checked the settings and i was like

[raj]: i wonder if my daughter or my
wife

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: changed the t v settings um to
know how i like it but they didn't

[raj]: and i was like the color in
this movie is very bright yeah

[neil]: yeah i mean it's it's not very
it's not a very dark movie

[raj]: no

[neil]: the way that no no for sure
i can't

[raj]: and

[neil]: agree

[raj]: and it might be because you know
i've been watching a lot of older movies

[raj]: especially movies in the seventies in the
movies in the seventies the lighting was just

[raj]: dark and the film was very grainy
which i actually am a fan of

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: um

[neil]: this

[raj]: but

[neil]: is

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: very

[raj]: this movie

[neil]: well

[raj]: was bright and

[neil]: in the

[raj]: i wonder if that was yeah i
wonder if that was a choice by west

[raj]: craven and some of the other producers
to to kind of like make it very

[raj]: very bright like just colors stand out

[neil]: yeah yeah it definitely gave it a
look

[raj]: ah

[neil]: that's kind of different from regular horror
movies but it kind of it kind of

[neil]: what it did is it took the
high school the daytime high school kind of

[neil]: feel to it and it just applied
it to night by the way that they

[neil]: live

[raj]: yeah no and it makes sense because
high school movies are you know if you're

[raj]: making a comedy you know you don't
you're not going to want like a dark

[raj]: like a

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: dark lighting and stuff comedies tend to
be the rooms are lip bright and it's

[raj]: just like the color even off the
skin tones i found very bright

[neil]: hm

[raj]: throughout the whole movie um he other
thing i noticed you know i used to

[raj]: notice a lot more when i was
younger i'm still a film fan like a

[raj]: big big big film but like my
mind was a lot sharper when i was

[raj]: younger so i would notice a lot
more of the camera movements and the edits

[raj]: and the cuts and the camera angles
more so than i do now now i

[raj]: just kind of just watch the movie

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: but one thing i notice is and
wes craven is not really known for you

[raj]: know tracking shots like score size or
or depamaorspelburg is but like i've noticed that

[raj]: he does a lot of like the
camera was stopped with start like on like

[raj]: like a like a second floor level
and then it would pan down

[neil]: right

[raj]: and it was just like there must
have been like a dozen seeds in the

[raj]: movie where he would do that it
was kind of like that's his thing you

[raj]: know have the camera start off high
and then slowly pan down

[neil]: one thing i don't know if it
was weird it was weird to me but

[neil]: maybe it was you know thought out
but like there was a couple of scenes

[neil]: like one example is when the school
bus pulls up that it's actually tilted it

[neil]: looks like it's going

[raj]: oh

[neil]: to crash the way that they have
the camera framed and i mean and and

[neil]: sydney's house was on top of a
hill so they easily kind of just manipulated

[neil]: the camera little bit but it looked
like it was gonna it was gonna crash

[neil]: it was slanted

[raj]: oh

[neil]: down and there

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: was another

[raj]: oh

[neil]: scene i think might maybe it might
have been with it news van

[raj]: yah

[neil]: at one point where they show

[raj]: yah

[neil]: the news van and it's in that
same

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: sort of positioning where it's just

[raj]: ye

[neil]: not straight

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: it's very crooked

[raj]: yeah ye

[neil]: so i didn't know if that was
just a personal choice or they just didn't

[neil]: level the tripod when they were whatever

[raj]: i'm gonna go with a personal

[neil]: i think

[raj]: choice

[neil]: it was

[raj]: but

[neil]: exposed

[raj]: you never know though you know

[neil]: i think it was i think it
was a choice that i mean it made

[neil]: things awkward i think is what what
they were going for just to like nothing

[neil]: was normal in the town so yeah

[raj]: so i don't have much else to
add to this movie you know i do

[raj]: want to say that i thought ned
campbell sydney's character was quite good i also

[raj]: like she's quite physical i don't know
have to use the stunt double but she

[raj]: can fight

[neil]: yeah yeah

[raj]: and you know they don't really mention
that in the movie there's no back story

[raj]: about like her like taking martial arts
class or being some sort of athlete is

[raj]: it just she can fight she

[neil]: it might

[raj]: can

[neil]: have

[raj]: move

[neil]: been related

[raj]: she can

[neil]: to the

[raj]: escape

[neil]: fact that it might have been related
back to the fact that her mother was

[neil]: supposedly raped and murdered in

[raj]: it

[neil]: the past so she might have take
it upon yourself to take some self defense

[neil]: course or something like that

[raj]: totally makes sense um you know

[neil]: those details are left out right you
just kind

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: of

[raj]: but i thought it was kind of
cool that she could fight i don't watch

[raj]: a lot of horror movies but like
all the girls with exception of

[raj]: i think drew barrymore's character so even
like um tatem sydney

[neil]: m

[raj]: sydney's friend they all

[neil]: hm

[raj]: kind of like fight back

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: and uh that's kind of cool

[raj]: i

[neil]: the male dominated roles right where fighting
is happening so it's nice

[raj]: well

[neil]: to see that

[raj]: yeah it's nice to see i mean
this was in the nineties so i think

[raj]: you're starting you were starting to see
a little bit of that turning like you

[raj]: know i'm a big fan of the
movie of the seventies and the f mal

[raj]: roles in the seventies were just just
different

[neil]: yes ye

[raj]: the sexual politics back then and the
way

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: the female roles where they were it
was just different a different time back then

[neil]: yes

[raj]: um oh you know you're right about
the voice of ghost face i just i

[raj]: have the lickapedi i like to have
the lickapedia pa so i can see the

[raj]: cast members

[neil]: right

[raj]: and you're right

[neil]: yeah yeah that's i mean i guess

[raj]: oh

[neil]: it's just it's like the dark vater
thing right like different actor played his face

[neil]: james rill jones did the voice so
when we eventually see him

[raj]: yeah all right well i don't oh
you know what there is i do have

[raj]: one thing to add and then i
don't really have much else to say but

[raj]: the janitor so when

[neil]: oh right when

[raj]: so i was like when they showed
the janitor and the janitor was like a

[raj]: little bit creepy and i was just
like well you know it just hits on

[raj]: the creepy janitor but that was actually
played by west craven

[neil]: oh

[raj]: so he does little like a hitchcock
in the movie where

[neil]: cameookay

[raj]: he shows up yeah but

[neil]: look like greepybag

[raj]: he looked really creepy and there's

[neil]: that's

[raj]: something

[neil]: a

[raj]: about

[neil]: date up

[raj]: the yeah there's something about the janitor
like in high school movies there either

[neil]: hm

[raj]: the creepy one and or the wisest
person in all of school like they'll come

[raj]: they'll say some sort of wisdom to
the hero was like

[neil]: right

[raj]: oh wow i never thought about that
way oh

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: so i don't know much else to
add we're getting about to like the forty

[raj]: five minute marks

[neil]: sure

[raj]: anything else you wanted to add in
the movie

[neil]: um well i will just say i'll
be honest with you i have not seen

[neil]: any of the sequels but

[raj]: i haven't either

[neil]: this

[raj]: though i did see i did scream
too

[neil]: did see scream to you okay so
i haven't seen any of the sequels but

[neil]: watching this again has encouraged me to
maybe take a look at some of the

[neil]: other ones and i think they re
made like a new scream two thousand twenty

[neil]: two or something of two thousand one
version with a lot of the old cast

[neil]: members as well so i might

[raj]: i might

[neil]: go there

[raj]: watch it too

[neil]: arson

[raj]: i saw the pre view

[neil]: hm

[raj]: because i was interested myself after watch
this movie i was like okay let me

[raj]: just see the pre views of these
other movies and

[neil]: hm

[raj]: yeah it actually looked to bad i
basically you know they got it's a mixture

[raj]: of like the older cast and then
also takes place in high school so you

[raj]: got a whole

[neil]: there's

[raj]: like

[neil]: new

[raj]: new cast

[neil]: rab kids right

[raj]: but you see all the greatest heads
you neve campbell david r cat courtney cox

[neil]: hm

[raj]: m there all there obviously i didn't
see jamie kennedy so he's probably

[neil]: okay

[raj]: out doing other things but

[neil]: yeah

[raj]: yeah yeah

[neil]: mab most wanted

[raj]: oh s that like a movie he
did right

[neil]: yeah yeah it was one of

[raj]: he

[neil]: my

[raj]: had

[neil]: favorite

[raj]: he had a pretty pretty decent career
you know

[neil]: yeah for sure

[raj]: now he's probably now he's probably just
like a character actor so nothing wrong

[neil]: at

[raj]: with that

[neil]: nothing wrong with that

[raj]: yeah

[neil]: m

[raj]: all right

[neil]: hm

[raj]: i think it's a good time to
end the pot if you could just stay

[raj]: on for a minute so i can
upload

[neil]: sure

[raj]: m